BOND: I think I know the answer to this question just by looking at your life. Are you optimistic about this?

LEWIS: I'm very optimistic. I'm very, very hopeful. It's very much in keeping with the philosophy and the discipline of non-violence to be hopeful, to be optimistic that things are going to get better, but they're going to need some push and some pull and people have to make a little noise. I think now people are just too quiet. They're a little too patient. They have to make a little noise. They have to get in the way. And they have to find a way -- and I really truly believe you have to get in the way. It may not be popular at the time to get in the way. It may not be the acceptable thing to do. You may be sailing against the wind, but you have to do it. You have to disturb the order of things.

BOND: John Lewis, thank you for being with us.

LEWIS: Well, thank you, my friend, Julian Bond. Thank you very much.

BOND: Well, thank you.